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ashes · Sep 22, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Hi

imo healing is for heroes - prot is the way of life

so what do you think of this build?

i'll think it'll fit into triple-nec pretty good

Tyla · Sep 22, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Aegis > Guardian in PvE, and considering you're a human prot, you should entrust yourself with Spirit Bond and use PSpirit on a hero or something. I'd also remove either GoLE or AoS, because you don't really need the extra energy management.

Oh, and personally I'd get rid of the energy management altogether. I find I don't need it at all.

Sookie · Sep 22, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Try this one. It's not much different from yours. It works very well against physical attack, but is good for most non-elite combat areas plus I got it from an UBER Monk that knows all (he really does).

Shield of Deflection (E)
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Guardian
Protective Spirit
Reversal of Fortune
Mend Condition
Remove Hex
Rebirth

Tyla · Sep 22, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

If that Monk is so uber he wouldn't be using Rebirth.

Guardian or Shield of Deflection. Take your pick. In which case, in PvE, Aegis tops them both. Shield of Deflection isn't half as good as Restore Condition, Divert Hexes, Aura of Faith or Word of Healing in PvE.

No SoA? What?

Skyy High · Sep 22, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Monks don't bring a res, Enolena.

I disagree with the "Aegis > Guardian" comment though, Tyla. If you can chain it properly with a partner/hero, I suppose, but if you're in control of the entire party anyway, it works better to just have one non-tanking melee go in under however much prot will keep him alive, and then apply guardian if/when aggro breaks. Works much better that way, especially if you're the one getting hit. Yeah, you could argue that you shouldn't be getting hit anyway, but ideally, your entire party shouldn't be getting hit all at once either.

cataphract · Sep 23, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

The build isn't too shabby, but I'd drop AoS for Rebirth if pugging or doing a mission. Better safe than sorry.

xDusT II · Sep 23, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by cataphract

The build isn't too shabby, but I'd drop AoS for Rebirth if pugging or doing a mission. Better safe than sorry.

Better yet, don't pug and avoid being made to run bad builds.

It's so much easier to be a control freak with heroes.

Improvavel · Sep 23, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Better yet, don't pug and avoid being made to run bad builds.

It's so much easier to be a control freak with heroes.

Better yet play with a trusted partner, It's even easier to be a control frak with 6 PvE only skills and 6 heroes

Aegis is great. SoA should be there. No rez on monks ftw

XkristoferX · Sep 23, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Tyla

If that Monk is so uber he wouldn't be using Rebirth.....Shield of Deflection isn't half as good as Restore Condition, Divert Hexes, Aura of Faith or Word of Healing in PvE.

No SoA? What?

i really like Life Sheath on a hero. it's really good in a heavy spike zone. i usually always run Divert and i never run a rez. heroes got that locked down.

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Age · Sep 23, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

What cataphract said.

-Lotus- · Sep 24, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

not bad, but it needs moar hybrid. Just gift at 8 or 9 healing can save lives in the right situation.

JDRyder · Sep 24, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

yea i agree with lotus, take out the air for gift, PS for SB and take out seed for veil, remove or cure. Something you can also do is take out guardian for aegis if the other monk has it as well, I dont like to be the only monk with aegis if i use it. If you using 3necros not sure on what they are running "guessing discord" if you can put aegis on 1 of them then you set

cataphract · Sep 24, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Better yet, don't pug and avoid being made to run bad builds.
It's so much easier to be a control freak with heroes.

The build isn't bad, it's perfectly fine for a majority of PvE maps. If he's good, he'll get by, learn and tweak his builds to better suit his playstyle and cahllenges he's about to face. If he's bad, Best Build Ever (tm) wouldn't save him.

As for being forced to run bad builds, I wouldn't know. Never happened to me. Sure, people did try. Some didn't even let go when I beat their "arguments" and flaunted their black obsi armor followed by pinging of VS+Torm shield. Majority of those stopped yapping when I turned on GWAMM. If they persisted and stopped being amusing, I simply quit and got another group.

Tyla · Sep 24, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Anything works in PvE. It's best to seek guidance in your learning as an additional reference, regardless of difficulty levels anyway.

Tyla · Sep 24, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by matti90

Learn to play.

Thank you for your time.

Physicals get absolutely nowhere in DoA without this skill. Once you hit a certain amount of hexes it's automatically time to /Resign. It's not like you're going to take this into areas where there are weak hexes, are you?

By the way, what does this have to do with superiority against SoA?

Snow Bunny · Sep 24, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Oh, and personally I'd get rid of the energy management altogether. I find I don't need it at all.

What the hell are you talking about?

boarderx · Sep 24, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

pve monks builds are hard to rate cuz they all depend on the area your using it in, it also depends on what the other healer or monk is running too

-Lotus- · Sep 24, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

What the hell are you talking about?

you dont need energy managment if you dont waste energy.

never fill bars past 90%.
prot.
dont waste removal on things like bleeding or life siphon.
work with your other monk.
ect... if you arent wasting your energy, and your frontline doesnt overextend or overaggro, you will be fine.

misguiding_prophet · Oct 01, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by xDusT II

Better yet, don't pug and avoid being made to run bad builds.

It's so much easier to be a control freak with heroes.

The Man/Woman Speaks the truth!

Burst Cancel · Oct 02, 2008, 05:07 AM // 05:07

GoLE is a wasted slot on that bar. Even running running Aegis and PS/SB you shouldn't be running out of energy. Dip into the emergency swap when shit hits the fan and conserve slots for real skills.

Seed is useless except in a narrow subset of situations, where it's incredibly good. So, unless you're playing with a bonder or facing constant multiple-target small packet damage (e.g., SS), leave it at home. When you take Seed out, Superiority goes too because none of your other skills really benefit from its best effect: skill recharge. WoH is better than RC pretty much all the time in PvE; I can't think of even a single area off the top of my head where I'd rather have RC.

Pure prot frankly isn't any less dangerous than pure heal; you want both monks to have something that can push bars up on demand - otherwise the heal monk becomes the linchpin, and given that your heal monk is a hero, it's not exactly an ideal situation. If you've got your heart set on RC, consider investing some points in healing (e.g., 14/10/10) and taking Gift of Health, Patient Spirit, or Dwayna's Kiss.